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SanClemente
it's been a bloodbath on the green board.  Good fun.  

Now I am told , it's my job to find the next head coach. 

I would actually be ok with that. sc 
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Hoss
The final and most pathetic angle of a rah rah: "Yeah, well, coach X may not be so great but who are you going to replace him with?" At this point if they just taped a head set onto Traveler and made him stand on the USC sideline the Trojans would do better.

At the very least it's always entertaining when the people who have spent years defending a doofus like Helton and calling anyone who dared point out that Clay was in way over his head a "USC hater" have to finally and begrudgingly admit that they were wrong yet again.

6-52, 10-27, 14-49, 7-24, 3-17 and all the last second, lucky victories over embarassingly overmatched competition, pulled out on the back of the greatest quarterback in school history, didn't convince them, but NOW they've seen enough. Better late than never, I guess.

And sign me up for you or any other poster who saw through Clay from the beginning picking the next coach. If USC made this board the search committee do you really think we'd come up with a worse choice than Kiffin, Sark or Clay? Really?
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August West
SanClemente wrote:
it's been a bloodbath on the green board.  Good fun.  

Now I am told , it's my job to find the next head coach. 

I would actually be ok with that. sc 

I went over there the past couple days...I noticed three things. 

- Balls and IQ are no where to br found
-Tulsa has ruined that board 
-Sanka still refuses to admit he’s ever wrong.

this notion the fans have to pick the coach, while he can sit there and shoot everyone of them down for one reason or another is lame...the guy has a serious small dick complex. 
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August West
Hoss wrote:
The final and most pathetic angle of a rah rah: "Yeah, well, coach X may not be so great but who are you going to replace him with?" At this point if they just taped a head set onto Traveler and made him stand on the USC sideline the Trojans would do better.

At the very least it's always entertaining when the people who have spent years defending a doofus like Helton and calling anyone who dared point out that Clay was in way over his head a "USC hater" have to finally and begrudgingly admit that they were wrong yet again.

6-52, 10-27, 14-49, 7-24, 3-17 and all the last second, lucky victories over embarassingly overmatched competition, pulled out on the back of the greatest quarterback in school history, didn't convince them, but NOW they've seen enough. Better late than never, I guess.

And sign me up for you or any other poster who saw through Clay from the beginning picking the next coach. If USC made this board the search committee do you really think we'd come up with a worse choice than Kiffin, Sark or Clay? Really?


haahaaa great take.

we’d find a better option than the last three, guaranteed.

Ive always been a Big Game Bob fan....SC needs to court him the remainder of the year, fire Gomer after the ND game....announce BGB immediately. And start a new era of SC football. Id pay him 10m a year. Extra 2m for a NC. 
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NEB4USC
Think a&m knew Jimbo was available a year ago? USC can't even run a proper coaching search bc they think these guys are just gonna come hat in hand like Pete did. Frankly, we the realists would do a better job than haden did or Swann will. But it's stupid to pose the question of who like that somehow means helton doesn't still suck.
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909trojan
SanClemente wrote:
it's been a bloodbath on the green board.  Good fun.  

Now I am told , it's my job to find the next head coach. 

I would actually be ok with that. sc 


Truth be told if they let JT call the plays on O and Cameron on D - as you suggested - the team would most likely do better.
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NEB4USC
Until they can block, tackle and run a cogent o scheme, good almighty could call the plays and it wouldn't matter.
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D CLEATER
SanClemente wrote:
it's been a bloodbath on the green board.  Good fun.  

Now I am told , it's my job to find the next head coach. 

I would actually be ok with that. sc 


Imagine if we could form a committee and choose the next SC coach.  I can guaran-effin-tee we could come up with infinitely better than Kiffin-Suck-Gomer.  I could think of 4-5 just off the top of my head whom I'd want interviewed.  The next sc coach should be someone hungry to make a big name for himself.  I'd like an up and comer from the MAC conference or something similar.

Justin Fuentes
Appalachian St HC
Mike Norvell (with a top flight DC)
Stoops would be good paired with Mangino again

DC
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NYTrojan
For folks like Java there are only 2 kinds of coaches:

ones who are losers
Ones who would turn USC down.

There are no other alternatives.  

Secretly these people do not think we are a great program.  They think we're some junk program similar to Washington State who is lucky to have any coach that isn't a total sham.  They are convinced that nobody would leave a steady B+ level job for USC.

But they argue that we ARE a great program, and shouldn't consider anybody who has ever lost a game.  Any loss, even when they're running a nobody program really well and face Bama, is an excuse to not hire them.

"Tom Herman doesn't have enough experience to coach at USC.  That's why we went with a guy who has been an O Coord for FEWER years than Herman has been a HC"

It's insane the logic jumps they'll take
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Hoss
It's what happens when you have the answer before the question is even asked. The moment you start ignoring evidence and simply do mental gymnastics to defend whatever your predetermined position is you end up in these illogical loops that you described, NYT.

Certain people have decided to die on the "Clay Helton is the best coach for USC" hill. Now that the evidence is in that this assertion is patently false, the only alternative is to attack different premises and claim that the USC job isn't that attractive, no proven elite coach would take the job, no coach who would take the job is any good, etc, even if they don't actually believe these things to be true. Winning the argument is more important than being right.

It's the rah rah death spiral. They have lost the initial argument and so it is time to move the goalposts and change the subject, while shifting the burden of proof.
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August West
These guys also have the moral high ground when discussing who we should bring in.....no matter who you bring up, there are excuses as to why that’s a bad choice. Too old, too young, too inexperienced, never been at big school, never won a NC, and on and on and on. 

Ive argued for years on these boards that SC is arguably the best job in the nation. Great history, pays very well, insane recruiting grounds, weak conference......any  coach worth his salt could do very well at SC.

Problem is, SC suits simply do not take the hiring process seriously. They expect coaches to beg them for the job, to call them for an interview, to reach out to them. The list of good coaches that would have dropped everything to come to LA if SC simply picked up the phone is deep. 

Hopefully a football guy like Swann gets it, and can do a real search after this Gomer experiment flames. 
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Hoss
No question that USC has as high a ceiling as any job in the country. 'SC is a blueblood in a conference of also-rans. There isn't legit competition for over a thousand miles in any direction. A good coach would be in the playoffs every, single year here.

But no one would want the job, according to some. Go figure.
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D CLEATER
How is it that usc is the greatest university in the history of universities like all the rah rahs claim yet, when it comes to finding a replacement coach nobody wants to come a callin'?  I thought usc was the best at everything? 

DC
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