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Hoss
By all accounts, neither Fink nor Sears took the starting job by the horns this Spring. This shouldn't be surprising, as they have both known nothing but the Helton bros/Tee offense since they stepped foot on campus, until a few months ago when a GA stepped in to Ty's position, and so their chances to look like proficient quarterbacks are essentially nil. Still, their joint inability to move the offense against a Clancy-run D opens the door for seemingly outlier true frosh, J.T. Daniels, come Fall camp, to wrest control of an offense made up entirely of 4 and 5 star recruits from his more veteran counterparts.

That being said, if Clay has shown anything, it's his steadfast trust in experience over talent, as Browne over Darnold and Greene over Vaighns painfully demonstrated the last two seasons.

In my opinion, both Fink and Sears could be effective college quarterbacks, were they to find themselves in well-coached systems tailored to their individual strengths as players. In the mess that is the current USC offensive "system", however, neither has much of a chance to outdo former Gatorade national high school player of the year Max Browne, who managed to lead the Trojan O to 8 points per game against Power 5 competition, before being benched in favor of the freshman that anyone who had ever been to a USC practice knew was the better player.

A cursory glance at the USC QB depth chart would lead one to believe that the talent hierarchy breaks down thusly: 1. Daniels 2. Sears 3. Fink, while the experience hierarchy is: 1. Fink 2. Sears 3. Daniels. Knowing what we do about Helton, the smart money is on him to split the difference and start Sears against UNLV - a game that should be a sloppy blowout win, and as well against Texas and Stanford, two road games that, barring unforseen talent explosions, should leave the Trojans where they were after the first 3 games of Helton's first season - 1-2, and searching for answers.

At that point, I fully expect Daniels to be named the starter, and his natural ability combined with the lack of negative impact from Helton and Martin's coaching (which he has received far less of than Fink and Sears), to allow USC to go on a run against the softer part of  their schedule and again convince enough of the Trojan faithful that Helton knows what he's doing.

Anyone see it playing out any differently?
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NEB4USC
This is rinse and repeat time.  One of the 2 "more experienced" (sic) qbs will get thrown under the bus vs Stanford and Texass, and then Daniels will go against the soft part of the schedule, as you said.

What troubles me just as much is how much credence is being given to this defense for stopping a dysfunctional offense.  Like this is the 85 bears D or something.  This is not a Shut Down D - not with yack yack and grabby at the corners - so all the fans thinking this D will carry the team until the offense gets figured out are in for a rude awakening.
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Hoss
Totally agree. We know what we're getting out of a Clancy D - a few good moments, more than enough bad moments and lots of big plays. Wholly average performance considering the talent available to USC. Why anyone would expect dramatic improvement at this point is beyond me, especially considering they lose their only real playmaker from last season.

If Daniels lives up to the hype we're looking at 3 or 4 losses. If he doesn't then probably 5 or 6. Either way, we'll hear it was a rebuilding year and that the future is bright thanks to the highly rated recruiting class that USC brings in every year regardless of who the coach is.
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August West
I think Helckett will go with a two QB system to start....Sears and Daniels. Fink may transfer. First 4 games will decide our year. Fully expect to be 2-2 or 1-3. 
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NEB4USC
August West wrote:
I think Helckett will go with a two QB system to start....Sears and Daniels. Fink may transfer. First 4 games will decide our year. Fully expect to be 2-2 or 1-3. 


Yeah hugs almost has to do that or he might have both fink and Sears looking to leave. Gonna be tough to backfill when any new QB knows he's looking at multiple years on the bench w a coaching who doesn't/can't get the backup QBs any meaningful reps.

Helton is painting himself into a corner w his his desperation kneejerk moves to save his career.
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August West
NEB4USC wrote:


Yeah hugs almost has to do that or he might have both fink and Sears looking to leave. Gonna be tough to backfill when any new QB knows he's looking at multiple years on the bench w a coaching who doesn't/can't get the backup QBs any meaningful reps.

Helton is painting himself into a corner w his his desperation kneejerk moves to save his career.


its a bad strategy....especially on the recruiting front. Kids aren’t stupid, they know the backups aren’t getting real playing time....which makes the transition into starter even more difficult. 

At the end of the day, I don't have confidence Helckett will start the best player. 
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NEB4USC
August West wrote:


its a bad strategy....especially on the recruiting front. Kids aren’t stupid, they know the backups aren’t getting real playing time....which makes the transition into starter even more difficult. 

At the end of the day, I don't have confidence Helckett will start the best player. 


He's screwed either way. The Titanic is going down...

Hey there's a deck chair that hasn't been moved yet...
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August West
LOL! It’ll be interesting how the ballcuppers will spin this year...most hated Sam, and felt Helckett was the reason for the past two years.
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NEB4USC
If Daniels wins the job, then you know it wasn't Helton.  A true frosh who skipped his senior hs year can come in and beat out two players who have been in the program for a year = bad coaching, I don't care how good the kid is. And then Daniels will regress and where is the program going to be then?  
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August West
NEB4USC wrote:
If Daniels wins the job, then you know it wasn't Helton.  A true frosh who skipped his senior hs year can come in and beat out two players who have been in the program for a year = bad coaching, I don't care how good the kid is. And then Daniels will regress and where is the program going to be then?  

He may just be better, but we really have no clue how good fink/sears are....as our coach never lets them play outside the victory formation. At this point, all three are pretty much on the same level in regards to PT in Div1. 
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NEB4USC
Yeah but if you were running a scheme w any complexity whatsoever, the tenured players have a distinct advantage over alignments and terminology. This is an indictment of the simpleminded o that helton runs. N wonder osu took there foot off the gas in the c bowl. Stopping a middling Jr hs scheme isn't that tough.
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D CLEATER
1-2 to start the season and when his fat ass is on the hot seat he'll be forced to change QB's.  UNLV will give us a game the same way CMU did last season.  Every game will be close except for OSU, Cal, and ASU.  I see 8-5 even with Daniels in there.  While JT looks good, I don't think he has the moxy that Darnold brought to the table.  I was more excited about Corral, headcase and all

DC
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August West
D CLEATER wrote:
1-2 to start the season and when his fat ass is on the hot seat he'll be forced to change QB's.  UNLV will give us a game the same way CMU did last season.  Every game will be close except for OSU, Cal, and ASU.  I see 8-5 even with Daniels in there.  While JT looks good, I don't think he has the moxy that Darnold brought to the table.  I was more excited about Corral, headcase and all

DC


about right.....how is Sandpoint this Spring/early Summer? Killer time to be up there. Love the panhandle.
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D CLEATER
August West wrote:


about right.....how is Sandpoint this Spring/early Summer? Killer time to be up there. Love the panhandle.


Just returned from Sandpoint last Monday after a week up there.  Rained first day I was up there and then epic weather the next 4 days.  Took a spin around Couer D'Alene on my way in for about 5 hours.  Didn't get that same feel as I do for SP.  Though I could live in the BlackRock Country Club in a heartbeat.  Only problem is I hate HOA's. 

I have an agent looking for some land up there or I may take a Craftsman fixer upper near the lake and gut it with a local builder up there to bring it up to date.  CDA has some great golf courses too.  About 45 mins from Sandpoint though

DC
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August West
CDA is cool...people can be a lil douchy. Fixers can get spendy....do your homework before jumping in.
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